A member of our facebook group asked a question yesterday on what makes a Sudden Cardiac Arrest (SCA) survivor. Β They had the query as they had a diagnosis that was the same as someone else in the group and both had been fitted with ICD’s, but their diagnosis and implantation had happened before any events. Β The question went a little like this…
“I am a little confused, some people in the group say they have been given diagnosis XΒ after their SCA and had an ICD fitted as a result of it. Β I was also diagnosed with X and had an ICD fitted. Β Since then I suffered 14 episodes, each one requiring a shock from the ICD, yet apparently I don’t fall under the SCA survivor umbrella. Β So if your SCA occurs before the ICD is fitted, the term SCA survivor is valid, but not so if it happens after having an ICD fitted”
It is a good question and I think it’s down to a number of things, but the key is about whether the person actually goes fully into cardiac arrest or not.
I’m not a medical person so I’m open to correction, but I believe a person is in cardiac arrest when their heart is not pumping, they are not breathing and they are unresponsive. Β This is also known as “clinically dead” and before the invention of resuscitation techniques, a person would of stayed that way and eventually been pronounced dead.
I believe an SCA survivor is someone who has gone into this state and after a period of time has been resuscitated using external methods, typically Β CPR/AED or maybe even in rare cases a precordial thump.
If someone has an event that can cause an SCA i.e. ventricular fibrillation, and has an ICD (or to some extent a pacemaker) they may experience some of the same symptoms for a brief period of time, but they should be paced or shocked out of it before it becomes a full cardiac arrest.
I think the key differences are the length of time the person has no heart beat and whether external intervention is required to restart it. Β In terms of an SCA we are probably talking tens of seconds (at least a minute?), whereas an arrhythmia event restarted by an implanted device is likely to just be a matter of seconds.
Obviously the longer a person is without a heart beat the more chance of damage to the body including sensitive organs such as the brain.
This isn’t to say that they aren’t a survivor, but perhaps just not of a full blown SCA and all it’s ramifications. Β However, they are clearly surviving the affects of multiple events and a serious heart condition, which is not to be taken lightly at all.
Feedback or further enlightenment welcome!

After our first meet-up in February 2015, I realised I was not alone. It was the first time since my cardiac arrest the previous year that I had spoken face-to-face with someone who had experienced what I had. This was also true for my wife, who also happened to be my lifesaver. From that meet-up, the idea of SCA UK was born. Since then, we have achieved a considerable amount, primarily providing information, resources and support to others in a similar situation but also raising the profile of survivorship and the need for better post-discharge care. We are starting to get traction in this, and with the formation of the charity, I genuinely believe we have a bright future ahead and will make a significant difference in the lives of many who join our ranks.